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Full transcript of “Face the Nation” on December 26, 2021

On this “Face the Nation” broadcast moderated by Margaret Brennan:

  • Vice President Kamala Harris
  • CBS Information correspondents Weijia Jiang, Ed O’Keefe, Nikole Killion, Jan Crawford and David Martin

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MARGARET BRENNAN, HOST: I am Margaret Brennan in Washington.And this week on Face the Nation: my unique year-end dialog with Vice President Kamala Harris, and our annual CBS Information correspondents on what’s forward in 2022.  2021 was a yr of ups, downs and stunning setbacks for America, with a COVID pandemic that’s immediately intensifying, regardless of the lifesaving distribution of vaccines, and an financial system that is created thousands and thousands of jobs, however despatched costs hovering.  The most recent setback for the Biden administration? West Virginia Democrat Joe Manchin placing the president’s $2 trillion social spending plan on ice, as Congress wraps up for the vacations.  

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KAMALA HARRIS (Vice President of america): I am not giving up. The president’s not giving up, and, frankly, the stakes are too excessive. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Vice President Kamala Harris will inform us in regards to the administration’s priorities within the new yr and what the scrutiny of her first yr in workplace has taught her. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you assume you are being set as much as fail? 

VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS: No, I do not consider I am being set as much as fail. I am vp of america. Something that I deal with is as a result of it is a powerful challenge and it could not be dealt with at another stage. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We talked coverage and noticed the private facet of the primary girl, first black and first South Asian vp. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: What will get you fired up? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Injustice. Injustice. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Plus, a Face the Nation vacation custom. Our year-end correspondents panel returns to wrap up 2021 and stay up for 2022. 

It is all simply forward on Face the Nation. 

Good morning, and welcome to Face the Nation. 

On this present day after Christmas, we carry you a particular dialog with Vice President Kamala Harris. 

We met up together with her final week in her ceremonial workplace within the Previous Government Workplace Constructing for a wide-ranging dialog, the whole lot from COVID, to voting rights, to the criticism that she has confronted in her job. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Medical specialists are projecting that we may see as many as one million infections per day due to this new Omicron variant. Is our well being care system ready for what’s coming? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: We’re ready for it. 

And there isn’t any query. There’s a lot about this second that’s irritating. However let’s not overlook our particular person energy to really do one thing about it. 

Everybody has to get vaccinated. The vaccines are free. They’re protected they usually’ll save your life. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re already seeing hospitals overwhelmed with Delta. Inflation is actual. It is going to be with us so long as the pandemic dominates. 

As , the exhaustion is simply with us on a regular basis. When are you able to inform the American folks this may finish? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: We have now the facility at present to have an effect on tomorrow, and we will not shortchange the importance of that. We have now the facility at present to exit and, in case you’ve not been boosted, go get boosted, the facility at present to go and get vaccinated. 

And that can have an effect on the place we find yourself tomorrow. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Is it the fault of the unvaccinated? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I do not assume it is a second to speak about fault. 

It — it’s nobody’s fault that this virus hit our shores or hit the world. I might not blame it on anybody in that method. 

However it’s extra about particular person energy and accountability, and it is in regards to the selections, that everybody has the selection to make, little doubt. However it’s clear that everybody has the flexibility to choose to avoid wasting their lives and to forestall hospitalization in the event that they get vaccinated and in the event that they get the booster. And so I urge folks to try this. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: That is going to be exhausting for the financial system. Are you going to want to ask Congress for an additional aid package deal? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Nicely, let’s discuss in regards to the financial system. 

What’s inside our grasp? To move Construct Again Higher. Once we discuss in regards to the financial system, the common particular person in America goes to measure the financial system based mostly on, can they really simply afford to get by means of the day and thru the month? The price of dwelling, can they sustain with the price of dwelling, baby care, eldercare, pharmaceuticals? 

MARGARET BRENNAN: You are speaking in regards to the Construct Again Higher Act prefer it nonetheless has some life to it. 

As , Senator Joe Manchin stated he is a no. You do not have the votes. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I am not giving up. The president’s not giving up. And, frankly, the stakes are too excessive. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: It’s the price of the invoice that has led Senator Joe Manchin, at the very least publicly, to say it is really going to harm the financial system. His argument is, it’s going to add to inflation, amongst many different issues. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I feel there’s, with none query, room for dialogue about what really would be the impression to the financial system. 

And goal, main and extremely revered economists are weighing in on this dialogue to say, in reality, no. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Whenever you take a look at what’s really potential proper now… 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: … do you’re feeling that Senator Manchin is taking part in truthful with you? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I feel the stakes are too excessive for this to be in any method about any particular particular person. We have now to — , one of many issues… 

MARGARET BRENNAN: It is a 50/50 Senate, although, so that you want him. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: It’s. I am the tiebreaker. I am the tie vote. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: That is — precisely. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: In reality, the president and I joke. 

And once I go away considered one of our conferences to go break a tie, he says, “Nicely, that is going to be a successful vote.” At any time when I vote, we win. It is a — it is a joke we’ve got. 

(LAUGHTER) 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: However the stakes are so excessive. 

And we will not afford, on this second of time, the place we’ve got a chance to do one thing so substantial when it comes to public coverage in America, to actually assist households, I refuse to get caught up within the what is likely to be private politics, when the people who find themselves waking up at 3:00 within the morning anxious about how they are going to get by may care much less in regards to the politics of D.C. 

They only need us to make things better. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: However the baby care tax credit score has already expired. How do you… 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: We have now to increase it. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: … give you… 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: We have now to increase it. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: How do you try this with out Senator Manchin? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: You do not hand over. That is how we do it. We do not hand over. That is how. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, the president has additionally put you in command of voting rights. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure I — and I’ve requested, sure. 

There may be a lot about this combat for justice and the beliefs of our democracy which are a part of my DNA. You understand, I’ve been assembly with prime ministers and presidents from around the globe. Certainly one of my favourite interactions was with the now previous Chancellor of Germany Angela Merkel. 

She came to visit for breakfast. And we talked about the whole lot that has to do with our relative safety as nations and our priorities. After which she requested me about voting. She requested me about voting, and he or she knew what was happening right here. And this isn’t a topic that was distinctive to my dialog together with her, by the best way, when it comes to world leaders, as a result of folks around the globe watch what we do as America. 

And proper now, we’re about to take ourselves off the map as a task mannequin, if we let — if we let folks destroy one of the crucial vital pillars of a democracy, which is free and truthful elections. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: You are speaking about what’s taking place in state capitals across the nation. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I’m. 

I am speaking about that, and I am speaking about what’s not taking place on this Capitol in Washington, D.C., which is the passing of the John Lewis Voting Rights Development Act and the Freedom to Vote Act. 

That is actually about our standing on the planet. It is in regards to the integrity of our democracy. When our children look again 5, 10 years from now at this second, it is going to be on our watch that we both stood for and fought for our democracy or not. And that — I feel that’s all at stake proper now. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: However you continue to have the fact of a 50/50 Senate… 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Right. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: And you’ve got two senators who say they are not on board for altering the filibuster so as to attempt to push this by means of. 

So, how do you overcome that democratic actuality of not having the votes and never having a transparent path ahead? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: We are going to do and take a look at no matter is critical to push for Congress to take this challenge on. 

And we’ve got to. We have now to. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: A carve-out to the filibuster? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I am not saying that. 

What I am saying is that we’re going to urge america Congress, and we’ve got been, to look at the instruments they’ve accessible ,to do what is critical to combat for and retain the integrity of our voting system in America. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: It sounds such as you’re open, although, to a carve-out to the filibuster to get there. … 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I… 

MARGARET BRENNAN: You had been while you ran for president on the problem of local weather. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I… 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Are voting rights as vital to you? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I consider that voting rights is among the most vital points that’s dealing with us as people and as leaders at present. There is no query, no query. 

Voting rights result in each different proper, each different proper. And so we have to prioritize it as a nation. I feel it is actually vital that, on this dialog about what’s taking place in Washington, D.C., on the problem of voting, that we not lose sight of the truth that there’s one entire group of individuals, half of america Senate, who’re refusing to even debate this challenge. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: However, to that time, you had been simply within the Senate. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: And the president spent many years there. How come you may’t pull somebody throughout the aisle on this… 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: We are attempting. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: … or handle Joe Manchin inside your individual get together? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: We’re not going to surrender on these points. 

However you are proper. It is a 50/50 Senate. It is a 50/50 Senate. And so — but it surely needs to be a mix of us, as an administration, but in addition everybody weighing in. And I am glad we’re having this dialog. I feel we’ve got to proceed to raise the dialog about voting rights. 

Given the every day grind that persons are dealing with, this may increasingly not really feel like an instantaneous or pressing matter, when, in reality, it’s. And the extra we’ve got the chance to speak about it, the extra I feel folks will see, sure, I do not need an America of the longer term for my youngsters to be in an America the place we’re — are suppressing the best of the American folks to vote. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: What do you see is the most important nationwide safety problem confronting the U.S.? What’s the factor that worries you and retains you up at evening? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Frankly, considered one of them is our democracy. 

There may be, I feel, no query within the minds of people who find themselves international coverage specialists that the yr 2021 just isn’t the yr 2000. You understand, I feel there’s a lot about international and home coverage that, for instance, was guided and prioritized based mostly on September 11, 2001. And we’re embarking on a brand new period, the place the threats to our nation take many varieties, together with the specter of autocracies taking on and having outsized affect around the globe. 

And so I’m going again to our — our level about the necessity to combat for the integrity of our democracy. As well as, it’s clearly about what we have to do within the local weather disaster. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: There are 100,000 Russian troops on the border with Ukraine. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Are we going to see a scorching battle in Europe within the subsequent few weeks? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Nicely, we’re having direct conversations with Russia. 

We’re very clear that Russia shouldn’t invade the sovereignty of Ukraine, that we should arise and we’re standing up for its territorial integrity. We’re working with our allies in that regard. And we have been very clear that we’re ready to challenge sanctions such as you’ve not seen earlier than. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Does that imply sanctioning Vladimir Putin immediately? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I am not going to speak about particular sanctions, however we’re making that clear to him. And we’re in direct conversations. 

And we’re additionally working very carefully with our allies. And, once more, let’s use this challenge for instance of the significance of the energy of these relationships. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: However previously, alongside allies, we have sanctioned. It has been punitive. It hasn’t prevented something. It hasn’t stopped Vladimir Putin up to now. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: And I’ll repeat that the kind of sanctions that we’re speaking about are sanctions that we have not performed earlier than. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: You stated you had been final within the room on the choice in Afghanistan to tug out. You have talked about not abandoning allies. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Mm-hmm. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you’re feeling private accountability for the chaos of that withdrawal? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I absolutely supported the president’s resolution to — after what was taking over the very fact of being an limitless battle, of pulling American troops out. 

And I feel it is actually vital to do not forget that the earlier administration negotiated a cope with the Taliban, didn’t invite the Afghan authorities to be on the desk, and negotiated a deal that required and promised as a part of an settlement that we’d pull out by the tip of Could. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: So, we had been saddled with that accountability based mostly on an settlement between america and the Taliban. And so… 

MARGARET BRENNAN: You agreed to the — lengthen it and to not break the settlement with the Taliban. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: We made the choice that, if we had been to interrupt the settlement, it could have been an entire different state of affairs. 

And, proper now, I strongly consider that, had we damaged that settlement, we’d be speaking in regards to the battle in Afghanistan and American troops in Afghanistan. And we’re not speaking about that. I do not remorse that. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: However I do know, as a candidate, you pledged to guard the beneficial properties that had been made for Afghan girls. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure. Sure. And I really feel very strongly about that. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Lots of these Afghan girls aren’t in class at present as a result of the Taliban is in management. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Which is why we’re working by means of the U.N. and doing what we have to do by means of our mates to offer humanitarian help, bypassing the Taliban, to guarantee that we’re supporting girls and ladies there. 

Certainly one of our massive points when it comes to any conversations with the Taliban is strictly this level, which is the situation, the standing and the therapy of girls and ladies, together with, for women, entry to training, to not point out our concern about counterterrorism and what we have to do when it comes to that menace. 

So, these are actual points, there isn’t any query. The US has been and continues to be, because the finish of August, the most important donor of humanitarian support to Afghanistan.. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: However quite a lot of that support is not capable of make it into the individuals who want it due to the sanctions on the Taliban being in management. 

So it is simply — Afghan girls, do you are concerned that they had been deserted by america, primarily? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I fear that the Taliban has not complied with what we all know to be the suitable therapy and the best therapy of women and girls. 

And that is why we’re taking the posture that we’re with the Taliban proper now, as a result of that’s considered one of our biggest issues and considerations. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: What do you assume your greatest failure has been at this level? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: To not get out of D.C. extra. 

(LAUGHTER) 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I imply — and I really imply that sincerely, for a variety of causes. 

A big a part of the connection that he and I’ve constructed has been being on this — collectively in the identical workplace for hours on finish, doing Zooms or no matter, as a result of we could not get out of D.C. 

And on points which are about combating for something from voting rights, to baby care, to one of many points that I care deeply about, maternal well being. Being with the people who find themselves immediately impacted by this work, listening to them, in order that they, not some pundit, tells us what their priorities are, I feel, is critically vital. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: I’ve talked to a few of your former Senate colleagues, they usually say you’ve been given an not possible portfolio. 

Donna Brazile, the previous Democratic strategist, stated all of the give attention to turnover in your workplace is overblown, however you do have to renew and repurpose. 

Bakari Sellers stated: “Her portfolio is trash. You give somebody a portfolio that’s not meant for them to succeed.” 

Do you assume any of that is truthful? Do you assume you are being set as much as fail? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: No, I do not consider I am being set as much as fail. 

However — however… 

MARGARET BRENNAN: As a result of these are Democrats saying this. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: However, extra vital, I am vp of america. Something that I deal with is as a result of it is a powerful challenge and it could not be dealt with at another stage. 

And there are quite a lot of massive, powerful points that have to be addressed. And it has really been a part of my lifelong profession to cope with powerful points. And that is no completely different. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Why do you assume there’s such scrutiny? 

I imply, girls are all the time held to a distinct commonplace. That is only a reality. Is the truth that you are a girl and the very fact that you’re a minority on this workplace a part of why there’s such scrutiny? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I’ll go away that for others to cope with. 

I’ve a job to do. And I will get that job performed. 

Let me simply inform you, in case you speak about being the primary or being – possibly it is as a result of I’m that, for the primary time, maternal well being is on the stage on the White Home, the place we’re bringing folks in from across the nation to speak about maternal mortality, to speak about points like postpartum care and why we must always increase Medicaid protection, so it is not simply 60 days, but it surely’s for a yr, as a result of that is how lengthy she wants that help, and to do it as a result of it is the best factor to do, no matter your gender, no matter your race. 

And it impacts so many ladies round our nation. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We could have much more of our dialog with the vp in a single minute. 

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This is extra of our dialog with Vice President Kamala Harris. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Whenever you hear folks begin speaking about 2024, do you’re feeling that is disrespectful to you and to the president? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I feel that there are such a lot of points which are current points in 2021, that I simply haven’t got the luxurious of partaking in that. 

The pundits can sit again and do no matter they do. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you’re feeling that what turns into potential is simply going to dramatically change after 2022, since Republicans, many undertaking, can be taking the bulk? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: We are going to see. We are going to see. I do not know. We are going to see. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: You do not really feel that calendar actually pushing you to get issues performed within the yr forward, earlier than the midterms? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I imply, I really feel an incredible sense of urgency for a wide range of causes to do the whole lot we do. 

And, actually, it actually does boil all the way down to the truth that I’ve performed quite a lot of work because it pertains to youngsters. A day within the life of a kid is a really very long time. Sense of urgency, proper? What we have to do to get public transit, to enhance public transit, as a result of persons are going to work on buses day-after-day, and the buses are breaking down, sense of urgency, proper? 

I can go down the listing, and it actually — for me, the main focus is on what wakes folks up in the course of the evening. I name it the three:00-in-the-morning challenge. Whenever you get up at 3:00 within the morning, for most individuals, what’s on their thoughts is, how are they going to pay their payments? How are they going to maintain the kids? Are they going to have a roof over their head, proper? 

These are actual points that have an effect on folks day-after-day. They do not have the luxurious of ready about — discuss — some chatter about what is going on to occur in an election that is three years out. They do not. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: However, for folks — they are going into their third yr of this pandemic. 

You are speaking about value of dwelling. Was it mistaken to contemplate inflation transitory? I imply, these value spikes look like they are going to be with us for some time. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: We have now to deal with the truth that we’ve got obtained to cope with the truth that of us are paying for fuel, paying for groceries, and are — want options to it. So let’s speak about that. 

Brief-term answer contains what we have to do across the provide chain, proper? So, we went to the ports of Los Angeles, Lengthy Seashore, Savannah, Georgia, and stated, hey, guys, no extra 5 days every week, eight hours a day; 24/7, let’s transfer the merchandise as a result of folks want their product – they want what they want. 

We’re coping with it when it comes to the long run. And that is about what we have to do to move Construct Again Higher. It strengthens our financial system. What do we have to do when it comes to bringing down the price of dwelling, proper? 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Is that your high precedence for the brand new yr? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: It’s considered one of them. 

I haven’t got the luxurious of getting only one. 

(LAUGHTER) 

MARGARET BRENNAN: A good level. A good level. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure. Sure. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Individuals noticed you, a flash of anger the opposite day, while you did that interview with Charlamagne. 

(Start VT) 

CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD (Radio Speak Present Host): So, who’s the actual president of this nation? Is it Joe Manchin or Joe Biden, Madam Vice President? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Come on, Charlamagne. Come on. 

CHARLAMAGNE THA GOD: I actually — I can not inform generally. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no. It is Joe Biden. 

And I am vp. And my identify is Kamala Harris. And the fact is, as a result of we’re in workplace, we do the issues just like the baby tax credit score, which goes to scale back black baby poverty by 50 p.c. 

(Finish VT) 

(CROSSTALK) 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Frustration. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Frustration. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure. 

(LAUGHTER) 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, that frustration, we noticed that within the Kavanaugh hearings. 

What will get you fired up? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Injustice. Injustice is simply usually what’s going to get me sort of — it is — I do not like unfairness. 

And that is among the issues that can sort of trigger me to say, OK some issues are pretty innocuous, however unfairness in a method that may be hurtful to somebody, I — that is why I turned a prosecutor, ? 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Do you assume you might be judged pretty? 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: I’ll go away others to make that call. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Mm-hmm. 

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Sure. 

(Finish VT) 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Our full interview with the vp is on the market on our Web page at FacetheNation.com. 

We can be proper again. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We can be proper again with our annual CBS correspondents panel proper right here on Face the Nation. 

Stick with us. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to FACE THE NATION. 

And our annual CBS Information correspondents’ year-end roundtable. 

This yr we’re joined by a few of our beat reporters right here within the Washington bureau, together with CBS Information senior White Home and political correspondent Ed O’Keefe, Jan Crawford is CBS Information chief authorized correspondent, Weijia Jiang can also be CBS Information senior White Home correspondent, CBS Information nationwide safety correspondent David Martin can also be right here, and, lastly, Nikole Killion, who’s CBS Information congressional correspondent. 

So it is good to have you ever all and see your vibrant, shiny faces in particular person. 

Nikole, this has been simply eight months of infighting and tangling over the Construct Again Higher spending invoice that the White Home has actually made a signature challenge for the president. 

Is it useless on arrival or is that this simply on life help in 2022? 

NIKOLE KILLION: I feel life help is a greater method to have a look at it. I do not assume Democrats are going to offer this up with no combat, even with some resistance from Joe Manchin as a result of the fact is, he has been resisting all alongside and expressing considerations, whether or not it is in regards to the impression that Construct Again Higher may have on the financial system, may have on inflation, that’s one thing he reiterated in direction of the tip of this yr. 

So, whereas proper now it seems like Democrats are sort of at this stalemate, once more, I feel you will note Democratic management actually attempt to prod him over these subsequent couple of weeks to get on board. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: However would not this damage Democrats, the longer this drags on? 

ED O’KEEFE: I feel what’s hurting them greater than something is the give attention to the method of all of it, which they, themselves, have allowed to be the main focus by advantage of the arguments they’ve had in public, the unbelievable disagreements that they can not seem to recover from, and the truth that the president engages behind the scenes, however has performed essentially as a lot publicly to attempt to get the warring factions of his get together collectively to say, let’s simply get a deal. 

No matter comes of this Construct Again Higher debate might not be sufficient while you ran in 2020 on a promise to take action way more and but weren’t capable of safe a sufficiently big majority to make it occur. So, the menace for them is a depressed and confused and upset base of help that won’t really feel compelled to indicate up if this infighting continues to bleed into 2022 an excessive amount of. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. 

ED O’KEEFE: And if they continue to be so targeted on all of that and do not get out within the nation to attempt to promote and clarify it to skeptical Individuals. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. 

WEIJIA JIANG: And keep in mind who’s on the middle of this, proper, and that is Democratic Senator Joe Manchin, who has loads much less to lose political than the others. 

ED O’KEEFE: Certain. 

WEIJIA JIANG: As a result of he comes from Virginia, a deeply purple state, and he is conscious of that. So, once more, while you’re speaking in regards to the political ramifications of this, he’s most likely pondering of that much less, and may even be pondering the opposite method, of how a no vote may garner much more help on this state. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: However what he has additionally argued is this might damage the financial system. However, President Biden has argued that is simply completely a requirement for the sort of financial restoration and rebuilding he says is critical. 

So, what is the technique if you cannot get $2 trillion by means of? 

WEIJIA JIANG: Nicely, I feel the issue is that, , while you take a look at West Virginia, and also you take a look at how poor it’s, while you take a look at all the degrees of unemployment and the way a lot the necessity is there for a few of the measures within the social spending plan, the poison capsule is connected to it, and that’s the president’s sweeping local weather proposals. So maybe, if there was a technique to decouple them, Manchin can be extra on board. However I don’t assume that that’s one thing that the White Home can be prepared to entertain as a result of it is actually their solely and possibly final shot at passing these enormous local weather change proposals that he would love. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: West Virginia native your self, in fact. 

However, Ed, , it’s the Federal Reserve’s job to regulate inflation. Let’s be clear right here. Nevertheless it would not matter, the commander-in-chief will get the blame for it if the spending continues to spike. 

Does the White Home consider that the value spikes are literally a short- time period challenge? 

ED O’KEEFE: Nicely, they thought that actually on the finish of the summer time into the autumn. However I feel in case you take a look at what the Fed has stated since, they now perceive that that is going to proceed additional into subsequent yr. There’s going to be this sort of, , as soon as in a lifetime, maybe, financial disruption that results in an extended and painful and costly reshuffling. 

And when issues are dangerous economically, they take it out on these in cost, and that is Democrats. So that you add that plus the historic nature of a mid- time period when the get together in energy often loses seats any method — 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. 

ED O’KEEFE: They usually know they could possibly be in for an actual shellacking. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: David Martin, , I used to be chatting with a White Home official the opposite day who was speaking in regards to the vacation season and saying Vladimir Putin could also be making himself identified to the world. Can we see a scorching battle in Europe initially of 2022? 

DAVID MARTIN: Nicely, the estimate is that after the bottom freezes in order that Russian tanks and personnel carriers can get good traction, they’re going to be — they’re going to be liable to go from all these western districts of Russia, into japanese Ukraine. 

I imply what Putin is making an attempt to do right here is principally stroll again historical past by pulling Ukraine again into the Russian sphere of affect. And he is made these calls for, like he wants a legally binding assure that Ukraine won’t ever be allowed to hitch NATO. I imply certainly he is aware of that is a non-starter. 

So, the query right here is, is that simply his going-in place, or is that his pretext for an invasion as soon as his calls for are turned down. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Nicely, we went by means of part of this again in 2014 when Vladimir Putin annexed a part of Ukraine. He did it differently final time. 

Why so overt this time with a navy build-up? 

DAVID MARTIN: Nicely, there is a — way more substantial navy power ready for him. Ukraine has been getting navy gear from the U.S. So it requires an even bigger operation. Whether or not they launch that operation, in fact, stays to be seen. 

However the U.S. clearly has intelligence that goes past the straightforward incontrovertible fact that these items are gathering collectively there in Russia. They know one thing about what the Russian navy employees is planning. And what they intend to do with these forces. And proper now they’re clearly making the preparations, making the plans, to enter japanese Ukraine. 

Whether or not or not it occurs, Vladimir Putin pay not know but. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. And the U.S. intelligence says he hasn’t made up his thoughts. 

However, in fact, that is being watched as a result of it is a take a look at case of what President Biden will do and the way he’ll reply to an adversary. And on the heels of Afghanistan, which appeared fairly chaotic, it is a massive take a look at. 

DAVID MARTIN: Sure. It’s. I feel one of many greatest risks for 2022 is that nations like China, Russia, Iran are going to have a look at what occurred in Afghanistan and determine the U.S. is a spent power and we will roll. And that is not a very good mindset to be in. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: No. 

Jan. 

JAN CRAWFORD: I simply need to say, each time we do these annual correspondent panels, David says one thing that, , makes my coronary heart cease. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Horrible. 

JAN CRAWFORD: Sure. We’re all sort of working round chasing shiny objects, and David simply says, pay attention, I imply it is — yearly. Yearly. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Yearly. 

DAVID MARTIN: Yearly. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: And what’s scarry is he is often proper. 

JAN CRAWFORD: Oh, no, I do know, consider me. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: However, Jan, when it comes to predictions, the massive one which I keep in mind you making only a few weeks again about the way forward for Roe vs. Wade within the Supreme Court docket was that we cannot actually know the reply to the query on the court docket’s course till possibly June. 

JAN CRAWFORD: Proper. I imply and historical past is a information for that as properly if you wish to look again. 

In 1992, which is the final time the Supreme Court docket had a frontal assault on Roe vs. Wade, they had been on the brink of overturning it then. That they had 5 votes to overturn it after which, on the final minute, in fact, Justice Kennedy — former Justice Kennedy switched his vote to protect it. So, whereas there could also be 5 votes now, and I believe that there are, something can occur between now and June. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: So those that are saying it is going to be overturned are maybe making too early of a name? 

JAN CRAWFORD: It is — it might be overturned. I might not be shocked. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: And what does that situation seem like then? We simply have a patchwork of various states with completely different legal guidelines? 

JAN CRAWFORD: Proper. You understand, the court docket would take the place that, as conservatives have lengthy maintained, since Roe was launched, that it is a lawless opinion with no foundation within the Structure. There’s not a proper to an abortion within the Structure. That might imply that the court docket can be impartial, and the Structure is impartial on the problem of abortion, so it could return to the states. 

And the legislators, that are nearer to the voters, because the argument, would then determine whether or not to permit abortion, what restrictions to permit. The political course of would occur within the particular person states or in Congress to, , take the court docket out of the problem of abortion, principally, and let the state legislatures determine. 

ED O’KEEFE: To Jan’s level, control the states. We’re going right into a yr when you are going to have dozens of aggressive governor’s races and I might argue, at the very least in latest historical past, this may most likely be essentially the most consequential cycle for governors’ races for lots of causes. One, as a result of abortion might very properly grow to be an pressing challenge. Two, as a result of voting rights stays a priority and there are methods within the states to both get together to limit or increase entry. 

However for the most important motive, maybe, if sure presidential battleground states swing in direction of management of 1 get together or one other, they’re doubtlessly organising the taking part in subject going into 2024. You’ve gotten massive races in locations like Wisconsin, Michigan, Georgia, Arizona, which had been all deciding elements in 2020. If Republicans take full management of these, there can be strain placed on them by a sure former president to place some issues in place that will make it tougher. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Whenever you go to these state capitals, Nikole, I imply, what’s it, 19 states, 33 legal guidelines that make it tougher for Individuals to vote. The White Home factors to that. They take a look at the anniversary of the January sixth siege on the Capitol they usually say politically, or at the very least optically, they are going to begin speaking about constructing momentum for voting rights. 

Does something really get handed in 2022? 

NIKOLE KILLION: I imply, once more, I feel it comes all the way down to the numbers. It’s going to be a tough thread to weave, however, as I stated, I feel there can be a really deliberate effort to attempt to transfer ahead on it if they’ll. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: The White Home desires to get caught making an attempt, Weijia? 

WEIJIA JIANG: Oh, completely. We had been simply speaking to some White Home of us who stated, , they had been reasonable about this as properly. They usually know that it will be a wrestle. The issue is the president is aware of, additionally, how crucial this challenge is for the black group. He is conscious of the guarantees that he is made. So, he has to indicate that he’s at the very least doing the whole lot he can to get it performed. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: And, David, all of this will get intertwined into January sixth and the riot. Whenever you take a look at what’s taking place proper now and the oldsters you discuss to on the Pentagon, do they consider the most important nationwide safety menace is inside or exterior? 

DAVID MARTIN: Inside. No query. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: (INAUDIBLE). 

DAVID MARTIN: Navy folks will say that to you. The most important menace to america of America is the reincarnation of January sixth. And if we lose our democracy, what the heck does all that different stuff matter. Who cares about hypersonic weapons if you do not have a democracy? So, sure. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Jen, while you look to the courts and this query of religion in our establishments, after we look across the Capitol, there is a lack of religion in quite a lot of establishments. 

JAN CRAWFORD: True, though — 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Is that also there within the court docket? 

JAN CRAWFORD: No, I imply I feel that — sure, I feel there’s nonetheless religion in america Supreme Court docket traditionally and even lately. It has been the establishment that polls the perfect, method higher than Congress and definitely the press. And, — 

MARGARET BRENNAN: You picked like the 2 lowest there, Jan. 

JAN CRAWFORD: I did. Sure. Used automobile salesmen are additionally there, and legal professionals. However the court docket has — and, , I feel that that’s the method the court docket has performed itself, , and — and Justice Breyer has been an enormous proponent of that. The court docket’s senior liberal, going out, speaking to teams, and expressing, , his sturdy perception that you just see that it is like this beacon of democracy. And, , that will get to the query as, how for much longer is Justice Breyer going to be round on that Supreme Court docket? He might very properly retire this yr. There’s been quite a lot of strain, in fact, from folks on the left that he would step down whereas President Biden may nominate and have his substitute confirmed. 

So, , there’s loads we may speak about, in regards to the court docket and its legitimacy. Thus far it is positively declined, but it surely hasn’t taken the sort of hits that different folks have. Some folks have urged in the event that they overturn Roe, that will additional weaken its legitimacy. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Justice Sotomayor actually indicated that. 

JAN CRAWFORD: However on the best, they’ve simply the completely different view, that in the event that they uphold Roe, the, quote, lawless resolution, that that will undermine it. 

So, , these arguments lower each methods as properly. It dipped after Bush v. Gore, however then it ticked again up once more. 

Nevertheless it’s vital, as Justice Breyer factors out, the Supreme Court docket would not have a standing military to go implement its selections. It depends on the general public’s confidence and belief. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Can we assume that it is a Republican-controlled Senate, Republican-controlled Home in 2022? 

NIKOLE KILLION: I feel Republicans assume that. And that’s what they’re working in direction of. 

I imply, look, on the Home facet, it is actually not that tough. There are solely 5 seats they need to flip to get again in energy. And so fairly often you’ll hear Home Republicans even referring to Speaker Pelosi already as a lame-duck speaker. So that they’re measuring the drapes, OK. 

You understand, within the Senate, it is a bit trickier due to this cut up dynamic. Actually it is potential, I would say at this stage within the sport, the place it may go both method. However I feel, , Mitch McConnell is there to remain. And I feel whether or not this — he’s within the majority or the minority, I feel you will note him proceed to take that function within the forefront. However, positively, historical past just isn’t essentially on the facet of Democrats this go spherical — 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. 

NIKOLE KILLION: And plenty of of them have acknowledged, , that they do face some tough head winds going ahead. 

WEIJIA JIANG: And I feel it is tough to think about the president undertaking a lot on his agenda when it was already so tough with Democrats in management. And I feel that really uncovered how a lot battle there’s inside that get together. And I do not know that they’d anticipated it being performed within the open in the best way that it was. 

However even while you take a look at all the president’s successes, it got here with quite a lot of public combating. When it got here to the American Rescue Plan, and even the bipartisan infrastructure legislation that simply handed, you noticed how moderates and progressives actually butted heads and needed to, , needed to put that apart. Nevertheless it was nonetheless on the market. Everyone noticed it. 

NIKOLE KILLION: I do not (ph) assume (ph) many Democrat leaders argue, I imply, that is the sausage making course of in Washington, proper? I imply, sure, we may all be kumbaya, however on the identical token there are some variations. And we’ve got seen that evolve within the get together over the past couple of years. On the finish of the day, they’ve gotten some issues performed, possibly not the whole lot, however, , it is a work in progress. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Proper. 

WEIJIA JIANG: As a result of the get together has developed a lot. So I feel that – , we’ll see. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper. We’re going to take a fast break proper now and we can be again with extra from our panel. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: We’re again now with extra from our correspondents’ panel. And that is after we ask you to do the factor you hate doing, which is predict the longer term, however they’re knowledgeable predictions, I do know. 

Jan, what’s it that you just see taking place in 2022? 

JAN CRAWFORD: Nicely, I usually predict that Alabama will win the nationwide championship. So, , that is getting sort of too straightforward to foretell. 

So — however I will give attention to the court docket and the problem of abortion. I’m – – I predict that the supreme court docket will overturn Roe vs. Wade. Say that the Structure and the court docket goes to be impartial on the problem of abortion, which might ship that again to the states to determine how they wished to deal with it, a selected state by state challenge. The vote may properly be 6-3, with the chief justice becoming a member of them, 5 extra conservative justices, after failing to place ahead a extra incremental strategy. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: That might have enormous implications? 

JAN CRAWFORD: Sure. No, I imply it could radically shift the talk, which — within the affirmation course of for the Supreme Court docket justices, it could shift all of that again to the states. It might additionally imply that states legislators may not play politics with the problem of abortion, realizing that the Supreme Court docket would overturn it. 

So, unexpectedly, within the state legislatures, these positions that politicians now are taking to pander to the left, or extra particularly to the best, realizing the court docket will step in, all of that now’s actual. And they also will really need to make actual selections based mostly on what their voters need, or they’re out of workplace. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: David. 

DAVID MARTIN: I will duck the powerful considered one of whether or not Putin will invade Ukraine or not. If he hasn’t made up his thoughts, I should not need to make up mine. 

There are two mysteries on the market, what’s inflicting Havana syndrome, this — these debilitating signs that hit Individuals abroad, that appear to be the topic of some sort of directed vitality assault, and the place are these unexplained aerial phenomenon we name UFOs, these drone-like objects that present up in the course of U.S. navy workouts. The place the heck are they coming from? So, I am predicting a type of two can be solved in 2022. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: We’ll maintain you to it, David. 

DAVID MARTIN: OK. 

WEIJIA JIANG: I can not observe that. 

You understand, I have been pondering loads in regards to the president’s objectives ever since he took workplace and the way a curveball like omicron can simply set the whole lot again. And I do predict that issues are going to worsen earlier than they get higher with the pandemic. And I do not assume that the president will implement any lockdowns or restrictions that we noticed in 2020, which is one thing that we have been speaking about loads as a result of, , what are you able to do if you cannot power somebody to get the vaccine and the virus continues to spin uncontrolled, is he going to, , have one other 15 days to sluggish the unfold? And I feel the reply is not any as a result of he’s so dedicated to his financial agenda and he understands what a shutdown would imply. 

So, I feel it is going to be as much as states and native officers to try this, however I do not predict any federal pointers for shutdowns in 2022. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: And even the governors are hesitant due to the political value at this level. 

WEIJIA JIANG: Right. Sure. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: So, Ed, it is as much as you to guard your self. All of us who defend ourselves. 

What’s your prediction of 2022? 

ED O’KEEFE: I will tiptoe barely within the course of what you and David cowl with this by predicting that the president, as soon as we get away from the worst of this, and as soon as he is capable of globe-trot a bit extra, will make journeys within the coming yr to Latin-America and Africa. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: You did not put Eire on there? 

ED O’KEEFE: I didn’t put Eire on there as a result of that one’s going to occur it doesn’t matter what. By Latin America and Africa, and other people might surprise why. They’ve to recollect, the whole lot this president does has China within the background. And this might be designed as an try to go to these elements of the world and say, stick to democracy, stick to america, keep away from the Chinese language affect in funding that is coming your method and do not forget that we stand with you as properly. 

President Trump did not go to Africa. There’s been a perception within the Biden administration that such a visit must occur sooner somewhat than later. Latin America as properly, with so many struggling democracies in that a part of the world going would ship an enormous sign and he would attempt to meet with some leaders kind that area. However these are two journeys they might most likely prefer to make and I predict he’ll make. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: Nikole. 

NIKOLE KILLION: I feel when it comes to the mid-terms, I feel one dynamic to look at, and in overlaying politics for a few years now, we hold speaking in regards to the elevated variety of girls who’re working and other people of colour. And I feel particularly while you take a look at black girls particularly, I feel you will note a barrier being damaged, whether or not that is within the Senate or whether or not that is within the governor’s mansion. And I feel what’s jaw-dropping is there has by no means, by no means been a black girl elected as governor in U.S. historical past. You’ve gotten 5 working, Stacey Abrams, you’ve candidates in South Carolina, Massachusetts, Oklahoma, Iowa. There are a selection of lieutenant governors. We’ll see Winsome Sears be inaugurated in Virginia, the primary African-American girl lieutenant governor for that state, a Republican. 

I additionally assume, , for all the discuss of getting the primary black president, Barack Obama, having the primary black vp and vp of south Asian descent, I feel generally folks overlook that there is a deficit now within the Senate. As various as Congress is correct now, there isn’t any black girls within the Senate. So you’ve a variety of candidates, Val Demings, Cheri Beasley and others who’re working. However I do assume these are two areas to look at within the mid-terms in 2022. 

MARGARET BRENNAN: All proper, we can be watching. 

Due to all of you for becoming a member of us. Have nice holidays. 

ED O’KEEFE: You too. 

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MARGARET BRENNAN: That is it for us at present. Thanks for watching. And we need to want you a really comfortable and wholesome new yr. We’ll see you in 2022. 

For FACE THE NATION, I am Margaret Brennan.  

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